I have done a couple of these with no problems. Sheet the floor with plywood, I used 1/2 inch x 8' x 4' as few joints as you can get away with. Plenty of fixings through ply into joist, every 6';. Unibond/seal ply before laying tiles. Use flexible adhesive, more expensive unfortunately.Can you lay ceramic tiles on a wood floor if so what adhesive do we use?
Highly N/R without first installing a floor stiffener such as hadry back board or wonder board, (concrete based board).Can you lay ceramic tiles on a wood floor if so what adhesive do we use?
no don't try it
Actually to tile directly over wood (exterior grade plywood)
the TCA (Tile Council of America) and CTDA (Ceramic Tile Distributers Association) reccomends it be no less than 1 1/4 inch to tile directly over.
If its less than that,you need to add support via wire lath ,or some kind of backerboard.
IF you're tiling directly over the ply wood you shouldbe using a latex mdified thinset. ie: TEC (HbFuller) SuperFlex,or Fullflex.
Hope you find this info useful not over informative.
Good Luck
Bellzie
It is ill advisable as there is a lot of movement in wood flooring - It you still want to carry on cover the floor in sheeted plywood first %26amp; a good strong adhesive bod
yes! you have to use a flexible floor adhesives! either one made especially for tiling on wooden floors or a flexible one
The feeling is unmistakable. Your body tells you that you are on a stiff trampoline but your eyes tell you that you are not. The wood floor you are walking across is bouncing. Has this ever happened to you? It has happened to me when I walk across the floor systems of many a new home. The floor joist systems are built to code, however they have considerable bounce to them. If you have ever lived in an older home, the feeling is quite unsettling.
Springy Floors Hurt Tile
Wood floor systems with a bounce are fine if you decide to carpet. Sheet vinyl products can also tolerate substantial movement. Hardwood flooring will also fair well on a somewhat bouncy floor. Ceramic tile, on the other hand, will suffer drastically if a wood floor system is too bouncy. Tiles will crack, grout will crumble, and floor tile will sometimes actually detach. The reason is simple. Ceramic flooring materials are rigid. As such, they require a rigid base to stay in one piece. Wood floor systems can meet the necessary rigidity requirements. However, certain guidelines must be followed.
I Beams - Height is Everything
Steel I beams have certain strength or load bearing characteristics. Wood floor joists are no different. Their strength is a function of the thickness of the joist, its height, the type of wood and the distance between supports. Many people realize some of these factors, however, not everybody recognizes that all of them come into play. The species of wood is very important. For example, a 2x10 floor joist made from southern yellow pine is significantly stronger than a similar sized joist made from spruce-pine-fir.
Subflooring is Critical
The flooring material installed on top of the floor joists is also important. If you are using plywood, this material also can flex. Thicker plywood is almost always more rigid than thinner plywood. The number of plys or layers in the sheet is also important. Many people do not realize that plywood of the same thickness can have a different number of plys. More plys is almost always stronger.
Tile floors need additional support other than a thick single piece of plywood. Three quarter inch tongue and groove plywood, believe it or not, will not suffice! An additional layer of 1/2 inch plywood or 1/2 inch cement board is usually required.
As for installing this extra material, you just don鈥檛 lay it down and bang it in with a bunch of nails. It is vitally important that the seams of both materials are staggered from that of the plywood subfloor. This offset should be a minimum of two inches. Edges of the materials are most secure when screwed.
If you use cement board as an underlayment, it is necessary to spread wet thinset on the plywood subfloor! This thinset will fill any void spots that may exist between the two layers. These void spots often are caused by floor joists that are crowned differently.
Existing Floors
What do you do if you have an existing floor that is bouncy? This is a tough call. There is no miracle fix, I can assure you of that. Adding additional beams under the floor in the basement or crawl space is the easiest. This solution immediately stiffens the floor because you significantly decrease the span of the joists. If it is possible to do this, always make it your first choice.
Another solution is much more extensive and not always successful. You can install a ';stress skin'; on the underside of the troubled floor joists. A stress skin is a layer of plywood that is glued and screwed to the bottom of the floor joists while they are temporarily jacked up. The plywood, once the glue is dried, acts to stiffen the floor joists.
This solution must be engineered. In other words, you must hire a structural engineer to develop a plan as to how to install the 鈥榮kin鈥? Remember, this solution is not always worth the effort.
Wood floor joist systems will work with ceramic tile. I have used ceramic and slate extensively in my own new home. I only have one cracked floor tile in my entire house. This tile crack, I feel, occurred as a result of lumber shrinkage.
Read my ';Floor Joists Materials-Span Table'; article for the allowable span limits for your wood floors by two to three feet and you will be blessed with stiff wood floors. Or, use as tall a joist as you can afford.
I would not suggest you do this. Tear up the wood and then proceed to lay the tile. One reason for a better fell cause it will be akward and also you are going to ruin the wood floors regardless, do it the right way and tear up the exisiting and start with a freah surface then glue the poo out of the tiles
Stable subfloor covered with clean 1/2'; plywood is sufficient. All edges of plywood should be screwed every 3';, and in the middle every 6'; into the joists. You don't have to use concrete board.
I have tried this, it doesn't work unless you use hardibacker or wonder board. Be sure to use tape on the joints.
I sealed my wooden floor with PVA and used standard floor tile adhesive. 8 years on it is fine. Though the other half wants a nice laminated wooden floor now as the tiles are so old....... :-s
My gawd, Keith. What a long winded answer. I have been successfully tiling wooden floors for 35 years and have yet to have a tile break. I always put a sheet sub floor down, normally 1/8'; ply, thicker is the floor moves a lot. Then, the most important thing, use a good FLEXIBLE tile adhesive and grout. No problem
Yes you can,first remove all old floor coverings and screw-down floor boards (mind the pipes and wires)
second:cut 15mm wpb ply wood to floor at 100mm centers
third: prime ply with flexible primer and let dry
fourth:use a flexible tile adhesive ardex or bal are what most pros use to fix tiles leave to dry
fifth:follow the instructions on flexible additive that has to be mixed into the grout, be careful the grout will go off very quickly
clean up and enjoy.
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